Thursday, June 23, 2011

County Farm

There have been a couple of articles in the news recently that I thought would be fun to combine into a story.  First, in April the well-respected publication, The Economist, published a blog-analysis in which flogging was proposed as a way to save money in the criminal justice system.  It was argued—as we have on this blog—that it is cheaper and more humane to flog someone for a transgression than to lock them up for long periods of time, hurting them and their families through the loss of jobs and the stigma attached to being an imprisoned convict. 

Then, just the other day, a pool-piece appeared on an experiment in the state of Georgia, USA, where ex-cons are offered farm labor jobs to try to make up for the shortage due to new immigration laws that crack down on the use of illegal migrant farm workers.  The ex-cons are required, as part of their probation, to work, but they can refuse work that they feel is unsuitable—and most find quickly that farm labor is unsuitable for them.

Migrant farm workers work long, literally back-breaking, hours in the very harsh working conditions of farms across the United States.  They do this because they can be easily exploited by farm owners due to their undocumented status.  Their low wages keep the price of produce low, because, as you can see from the article, the work is terrible and no one else will do it. 

Obviously, for legal and moral reasons, forced labor—slave labor—is unacceptable.  But punishment labor is not.  Prisoners should not be forced to work for the profit of private enterprise, however, so County Farms could be established for short-term incarceration of those that just need to be taught a lesson that the lash alone will not.  For those that need discipline beyond what the whip will teach, a few weeks sweating in the sun, with the ever-present threat of harsh flogging—and even just the occasional random application of the strap on the skin of a bare back--as motivation could do the trick.  It would give some revenue to the county in which the person offended—helping them “pay back society” for their crimes--and it could just be a fun spectator event for those that want to sit in bleachers and watch men sweat in the sun (for which admission could be charged).

How would you like to see these young guys sweating on a Georgia County Farm, with Sergeant Stern motivating them with the lash?


38 comments:

  1. Stripped to the waist daily, sweating in the sun with the threat of a strap or floggings = proper punishment.I wonder what the re-offending rate would be.

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  2. Not just shirtless - short gym shorts and workboots only.

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  3. The shorts are a good idea, but I was thinking more along the lines of thin shoes that make them feel the ground--or even bare feet.

    How about two sessions of forced exercise: one in the morning and one in the evening, just to add to their days exhaustive toil? After the evening exercise session, the men would already be gathered so it would also be a good time to perform the floggings for those that didn't pull their weight during the day.

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  4. Since a couple of the pics posted here are from AZ, they probably are already sweating, and if they are prisoners of that Sheriff whose mug shows up on television every once and a while, my guess is that whippings are just a few weeks away. He's one mean hard ass. Not that I have any personal experience like that, although I came close a couple times.

    Doesn't the judicial system still sentence people to hard labor? Isn't that the same thing as forced labor, and pretty damn close to slave labor. What's the difference? Besides, this County Farm idea has already been done, hasn't it? Wasn't it called a Chain Gang? That Sheriff in AZ reinstated it, and he makes them wear freakin' pink outfits. I'll bet some of those dudes would rather have the whip slicing into their back's.

    What's with the gym short stuff? It sounds to me, Anonymous, that all you're interested in, is seein' a guys junk flop around. Yah, I realize it's your opinion and you have every right to express it, so don't jump down my throat.

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  5. Richie, the County Farm idea isn't new. We just don't use them anymore. Chain gangs now are used more for roadside trash pick-up--it's really more for the public embarrassment of those doing it than as some physically exhausting daily routine. It's not really hard labor.

    The civilian judicial system doesn't sentence people to hard labor, but that phrase is still used in military sentences. The reality of military "hard labor" punishments is that they do pretty much the same menial work that any private would do: mowing lawns, washing trucks, cleaning toilets, etc.

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  6. The extra exercise sessions would make definately their freshly lashed backs ache a little more

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  8. They're not far from where I live...

    God, I hope they make it my way. It would mean a little relaxation time for me, and a chance for my sunburn to heal a little.

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  9. So much dancing around here! The pendelum swings back to where every man knows it should stay..."my guess is the whippings are just a few weeks away" and "How about two sessions of forced exercise: one in the morning and one in the evening, lets add to their days exhaustive toil? After the evening exercise session, the men would already be gathered so it would also be a good time to perform the floggings for those that didn't pull their weight during the day." ...Not just for "those who didn't pull their weight but those in dire need of attitude adjustments?"...after a week down on the farm every soft belly should be replaced with 6 & 8 pak ab grids & all shoulders and backs sunbronzed & welted with the gangbosses straps & bullwhips!!! Former naval, military, military & chain gang prison rules apply to all brawny men!!!

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  10. I like the idea a lot.Having once on a bet Spent a day in loincloth and thin shoes working at hard labor fives one pause to think.The welts all over my body at the end of the day was an experience. My task wasimple in a gravel pit with wheelbarrow and shovel while beinf whipped. All real men should try it to see how they take it.

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  11. I have always felt you give prisoners a choice of sentence and the lash is one of them. Just take your goddam shirt off, chest against the whipping post, grating or spreadeagled and take the lashes. No more prison overcrowding. Take a poll of teen males and ask them what they'd prefer--being grounded on a hot date weekend, or taking 20 across the back and moving on, sorry Sir, I won't do it again. Most real guys will take that whip. Those embarassing welts and weals? If his girl sees them he just says, "Aw, I kinda fucked up and my Pop punished me. It was either that or being grounded and the CP was worth it to be with you." Man, she will give you whatever you want.
    Right on Richie, no gym shorts showing the junk, just prison dungarees or jumpsuit minus shirt to receive the lash of the whip. Take it like a man and move on.

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  12. In direct answer to your question, all of those gangbangers pictured would benefit from the rude awakening of the cat on nine across their backs. And whip some of those tats of the 2nd one. Auto theft, 60 lashes. Shirt off, sucker.
    "When the mind fails to comprehend, the body must be punished." (USMC saying)

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  13. Mike, my man, we must be related. As a kid, when my mind failed to comprehend, the sperm dude that brought me into this world took a heavy leather strap to my backside, and he made damn sure that I learned my lesson, fuck...

    These days, it's a frickin timeout or no computer time, cell phone, or video games. What ever happened to real punishment? I think parents are actually afraid of it.

    A good hard whippin' never hurt anyone, so I was told, and as much as I hate to admit it, it's true.

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  15. (Something went wrong on former post and half of it was missing)

    My parents believed CP was the answer to my attitudes. Grounding never worked. Stay in my room all day? Sure. No dinner? I got candy under my bed you know nothing about. And the list goes on. Any other punishment, I could deal with it. But I got my share of spankings (hand, wooden spoon, belt) and I know for a fact that I'm better off.

    Last one I ever got, I was around 11 and lipped off to my mom. Last thing I remember, dad had me by the collar and the big nasty leather belt was coming off. He laid into me with a passion and I still remember how bad it hurt. But that was the last CP I ever got. Simply didn't need it anymore, I learned my lesson.

    I agree with Richie, I think parents are afraid of CP. That, and most of the world at large seems to frown on it. Everyone is so quick to call it child abuse, and I've seen tons of people stating that it scarred them for life. While some cases definitely could be called abuse, and maybe some people did suffer in the end, that is NOT true of every case. I personally believe I'd have a mug shot or two like the ones above if I hadn't of gotten my share of CP. So does it work? With a spotless record, and never having gotten into any serious trouble in my life, I'd say I'm living proof.

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  16. Richie, we must be bros, I got my share of whippings too. I hated the ones across my butt tho it was household policy that after puberty if we boys got whipped at all it was across the back and I was grateful for that, makes you feel manly, tho that old fan belt felt like blazes. I'm not saying it made me a model citizen, far from it, but I did make it as a Marine and, as Chesty Puller said, "take me to the brig, I want to see the real Marines."
    And you are so right Richie, a good hard whipping never hurt anybody. In fact its damn good for you if not overdone, and separates the men from the boys if you can nut up and take it well. Brandish a coiled whip or cat in front of my face and my shirt is coming off faster than you can spit. Except when it's hot and I'm going canoeing or swimming or a shirtless run or some other barechested activity. Some folks just won't get it, lol.

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  17. Mike, Growing up in a rural area, I can testify to that being taken to the woodshed is more than just a freakin' phrase. If I really messed up, that's where the old man dragged me. He was and still is fond of that four foot worn piece of leather.

    A couple weeks ago, he told me that he's decided to remodel the woodshed, turn it into a "man cave" so he could watch all the sports he wanted to without driving my Mom nuts. So he asked me to help him. Man, just walking back to the place brought back the reminders of the time I spent there. He must have been reading my mind, because he started to snicker and laugh. No sooner had I stepped inside when he grabbed that strap and whacked me hard across my 501's with it. My mouth dropped open, dude.

    Other than that strap or his belt, he never used anything else, and mostly I got whipped across my ass. Only a couple of times, when I mouthed off a little too much, did that leather strap find it's way across my back, the last time was when I was 19.

    I'm sure that all of those "lessons" somehow has contributed to my nutting up for a good hard whipping, and yah, it does toughen up a dude, but in the summer, ain't gonna happen. Nearly every freakin' day I run around without my shirt on, and to explain whip marks to the guys I work with (although some would say I deserve it), just wouldn't cut it.

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  18. A buddy of mine was made to drop trou and bend over the sawhorse well after 19, Richie. He hated the pain but learned to man up for it. I am really glad my Pop gave it across the bare back and I was over 18 when I last got it. The imprint it made on me is to crave getting my back warmed and, having been well-trained, show the right people how much I can take. And lay it on in my turn. There are some regular guys and chicks you can explain it too or don't need an explain, if you let the situation develop naturally like a jackass type stunt but explaining welts across your back isn't going to work in most situations.

    Bruh, I would really like to face off with you sometime at the right time, shirts off, black whip in hand and give you the 40 lashes you have no doubt richly deserved, hard and tough. But only if you return them to me.

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  19. Yo, Mike - By the time I reached 19, this need or craving, as you put it, to be whipped or punished really messed with my mind, and it still does.

    I deliberately provoked my old man into the whipping I took at 19. He has a really short fuse when it comes to bad behavior, and I ran my mouth like a freakin' drill instructor (no offense intended). He like warned me one time, and I ignored him because I knew what was going to happen. He never hesitated. Off came his belt (he was and is really good at that), and the whipping was on, dude.

    Immediately, I was on all fours in the middle of the garage, and that leather was snapping and stinging any damn place it felt like; across the back, legs, my ass, holy...mission accomplished.

    I remember looking in the mirror that night, and I could still see the imprints from the belt.

    So, dude, 40 lashes with a black whip, huh? Yah, you're right, I do deserve them, man. And you wann'em back...fuck, never whipped a dude before, but how does it go, first time for everything...

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  20. Brother Richie, don't feel bad or funny about holding that whip in your hand and laying it across my back. I know a guy who would come to me when he needed the flogging but would never give it across my back in return. That's downright unneighborly. Especially since he was a stoic sob, and I could never get a rise out of him even with 160 or so, former Army Ranger and proud of his spartan disposition. So it was like whipping a heavy bag. And I can lay it on hard too. But ya see I would do my level best to react the same way. ;) As I expect you would. But it's part of the deal. So we strip to the waist take forty well laid on brutal lashes, proud of the welts and marks and know we are the toughest mofos there is who know how to take a man's punishment sweatin' under the lash. Semper Flog.

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  21. When will you post the next video you have been promising?

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  22. I am actually trying to find a good location for it. We want to do an outdoors scene this next time.

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  23. I'm supposed to take a brutal whipping from a bud this september...3 dozen across my back with a 6 foot braided signal...he is really talented too at it.... He videoed the cp session administering 200 lashes across my back a couple years ago...it was awesomely painful...I can't wait for the next session !

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    1. Randy, 200 lashes sounds awesome! My brother Owen, our buddies Conner, Taylor and Kryschen, and I decided to go over the 100-mark for the first time, next Monday. Can't wait, lol! A full-strength flogging with a bullwhip seems to be exactly what guys our age need, and 100 lashes laid on with distinction now look like an ideal count, but 200? I don't know. Sounds like the "Send in the Clowns"-song to us: "Maybe next year!"

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  24. About a month ago, near the top of the comments, @WhippingDudes said they should be wearing thin shoes.

    Why make their life so easy? I'd rather see them wearing stiff, heavy work boots. Boots with double soles, heavy leather uppers with equally heavy lining to resist flexing and extract extra work with every step. Perhaps with logger-style heels hollowed out and fitted with with lead plugs. Maybe even packets of lead shot sewn between the outer and lining of the upper. Make them wear boots so stiff and heavy that for their first few weeks, they can barely walk until they build up leg strength, and while all that happens, whip them severely for slacking off.

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  25. Thin shoes? Boots? It's all a matter of taste, I guess. My vote would be for them to be completely barefoot, with their tender soles suffering on rough ground.

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  26. Well, either everyone's out gettin' whipped or everyone's lost interest...

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  27. It's my fault, Richie. I haven't been doing my part as a host over the past few months. I am working on a story that I want to post, but I just can't get it right.

    Are there any flogging topics anyone would like to suggest that I post am entry about?

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  28. Buddy - I dunno, dude, it's almost like you've exhausted everything. Um, maybe something about where would you rather be whipped, on the back or the chest. Some guys like that. If given the chance, would you wanna see your own reaction in a mirror when the whip comes down. How about role playing? Has anyone done it? Do any of your friends know you like to get whipped? If they do what's their reaction to it? Maybe there's something in those topics would like to discuss.

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  29. cat, singletail, or prison strap across your back? against a grating or spreadeagled arms stretched and secured to a pipe or beam overhead? Personally I like the free form spreadeagle tho those damn wraps hurt like hell.
    Mostly its summer and we got our shirts off. ;)

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  30. An academic argues for the lash in place of prison time. Makes sense to me though 5 lashes in place of 5 years is ridiculously low. We put too many culprits in jail, this is a good way to find an alternative. A judicial whipping should be severe. Draw blood if possible but not permanent marks.
    Let's do it.

    When the mind fails to comprehend, the body must be punished.

    http://theweek.com/article/briefing_blog/272/crime-and-punishment

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  31. Mike - Like I wouldn't agree with you, dude. But, I also think that you have to distingiush (somehow) between petty crime and those that shouldn't be released period. Considering that there is/are no rhyme or reason to how judges sentence people these days, good luck. But, if such a system is developed, then how about 5 lashes for every freakin' year they're sentenced to? And yah, drawing blood is like mandatory, otherwise the lesson is all for not. Man, once in a while, my college ed really does payoff.

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  32. Man there is all kinds of great stuff in this thread. I thought I was the only one who fantasized about it. As one person here said, doing hard forced labor (like moving gravel around in a wheelbarrow) and being whipped everytime I even thought about putting in less than maximum effort for hours on end is something I would love to try. Also, being forced to exercise and getting whipped for failing to complete a set of reps, or failing to finish on time would be badass!

    As for the farm thing here, I think it would be awesome if everyone was forced to labor for 16 hrs a day or so and at the end of the day, for every row of crop they didn't complete they would receive a given number of lashings. And for every row they did complete, say they would get 10 cents that they could use to pay for meals at something like 1 dollar for an egg or something. Say they are supposed to do 20 rows a day. For every row they don't finish, they get flogged 15 times and have to pay a cent for each whip. That way, they lose food and get whipped as punishment for failing a nearly impossible task.

    To be whipped they would have to ask permission to receive their punishment and at the end they have to thank the administrator for it. Then they get an hour of PT before whatever sleep they have left and an hour of PT before they start again the next morning. Can you imagine how sore they would be? Muscles, back, feet, starving, tired as hell... Awesome!! haha sign me up :)

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  33. Wow, Anonymous, you're really into this forced labor thing. I wonder if a network would pick up a reality show like this?!

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  34. Haha, a bit I guess. Hard to find others into this kind of stuff so I doubt it would make a tv show but it would be fun to find a few peeps into it and play it out for real for a while

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  35. I'd love to see these guys getting a good lashing; I'd say a "Mutiny-on-the- Bounty"-style flogging with a cat-o-nine, two dozen on the back would be a superb treat for all of them. My brothers Owen, Kyle and I went thru with it, for the first time, 16 months ago, and it seems to be one of the most rewarding kind of lashing we and our four buddies have ever experienced, and we recommend a "Mutiny-on-the-Bounty"-style flogging to everyone who's really into this kind of body training.
    Lukas

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